[Shhhh]

N-am urmarit tot video-ul cu Robu dar am citit descrierea lui. Ma ia cu greata cand citesc, mai ales cand ma gandesc ca am votat de 2 ori acest fanfaron...

[DanielT]

In prima parte a interviului ii dau dreptate, suntem o comunitare de anxiosi, victime si care mereu considera ca nu ne trebuie, ca nu merita, ca nu ne da nimeni etc. si ajungem sa cerem firmituri, vezi proiectul de fata, vezi centura pe o banda pe sens, stadionul, polivalenta etc. sau sa nu mai cerem deloc, vezi spitalul regional. Si apoi ne plangem ca nu avem. Asa suntem noi in comunitate, vad asta si aici pe forum, cum vine cineva cu o idee mai elaborata, evident care implica anumite costuri dar care e net superioara fata de tot ce s-a propus sau exista, apar o gramada de pareri: ca dom'le nu ne da nimeni bani, ca nu merita, ca nu e trafic, ca etc. etc. etc. si asa sunt si politicienii nostri, oglinda societatii. Avem exemplu de asa da si la Cluj si la Oradea. Oradea a vrut centura ca la carte au facut-o, Clujul a vrut metrou il fac -> 3 miliarde de euro din banii tuturor, vor centura metropilitana ca la carte, o fac -> alt miliard de euro, comparand cu 100 si ceva de milioane cat costa mizeria noastra de centura si ma opresc aici.

Asa a fost si Robu luat la misto si ridiculizat de numa' de toata societatea si mai ales de adversarii politici care acum dau vina pe el pentru solutiile alese atunci, dar inafara de caterinca nu au facut nici ei nimic. Asa s-a intamplat cand a vorbit de metrou, asa s-a intamplat cand a zis ca ingroapa linia de cale ferata si face buleverd deasupra etc.

Din interviu am tras concluzia ca nu s-a gandit nicio secunda la estacada(lateredit: s-a gandit dar era prea scumpa). S-au ocupat de proiect EL si cealalta eminenta cenusie in materie de infrastructura Culita Chis , nu am auzit o data sa spuna ca s-a consultat cu vreun arhitect din oras.

Si uite asa mi-am adus aminte de ce nu l-am mai votat si de ce nu o sa-l votez, EU am propus, EU am zis, EU am facut si tot asa.... Deci da, el a propus sensul ala mamut la 10m ca a vazut el prin Prahova evident in extraurban asa ceva si asa mai departe, eu zic ca merita sa vedeti interviul.

Aceasta postare a fost editata de DanielT: 09 martie 2023 - 13:21

[mile]

Si eu zic la fel ca primele 13 - 14 minute ale interviului (de fapt n-a fost interviu sau cel putin n-am vazut intrebarile) sunt cumva la locul lor insa dupa aia urmeaza zbenguitul pe camp. Nu era capabil sa observe ca solutiile propuse de el in fata CFR-ului erau luate in deradere de proiectant/i care aprobau usor cerintele "primariei". Era varianta cea mai simpla (si ieftina) pentru CFR.
Nu stiu cum s-a putut gandi la acel sens giratoriu suspendat aflat in camp ca model pentru strada Baader.
Cred ca nici la aceasta ora nu este capabil sa vada impactul negativ a acestor solutii stabilite asupra dezvoltarii viitoare a orasului.

A pomenit in "interviu" si de estacada dar a cazut deacord cu CFR-ul ca este o solutie prea scumpa. Dar cum am zis si in alte postari, se putea lucra pe segmente alternative, respectiv partial pe estacada unde sunt necesare trecerile auto si peroanele Garii de Est si partial pe rambleu (dig de pamant) pentru a scadea cheltuielile (dig de pamant incorsetat in prefabricate de beton)...

Apoi, mi-aduc aminte ca inainte de inceperea lucrarilor la pasajul Michelangelo, pentru a linistii timisorenii speriati de traficul infernal ce urma sa vina, spunea ca pasajul va fi construit in doua etape si anume intai o jumatate de pasaj (partea de pe Coposu) si apoi cealalta jumatate (partea de pe Parvan), lucru imposibil de facut in acest mod la o lucrare subterana. Si evident ca nu asa s-au desfasurat lucrarile ci intregul pasaj simultan.
Si acum in "interviu" zicea ca impactul lucrarilor n-ar fi asa mare asupra chestiunilor de trafic batand apropo-ul pe partea de vest a orasului insa omitea sa zica cum va fi in estul orasului in timpul constructiei celor doua pasaje uriase...


Insa este bine daca acest subiect va intra tot mai puternic in discutie, poate-poate...

[DanielT]

Facand si altceva in timp ce il ascultam ute ca am scapat partea cu estacada, ma asteptam sa percuteze creieru la auzul acestui cuvant cheie deja Nici nu mai am rabdare sa-l reascult sa vad cand mi-a scapat ) O sa editez postarea de mai sus

Aceasta postare a fost editata de DanielT: 09 martie 2023 - 13:22

[Ronat]

DanielT, la 09 martie 2023 - 11:00, a spus:

Si uite asa mi-am adus aminte de ce nu l-am mai votat si de ce nu o sa-l votez, EU am propus, EU am zis, EU am facut si tot asa.... Deci da, el a propus sensul ala mamut la 10m ca a vazut el prin Prahova evident in extraurban asa ceva si asa mai departe, eu zic ca merita sa vedeti interviul.

Clar asta o fost ce-l mai mare pacat al lui, ca nu se prea consulta cu nimeni si la el era toata decizia.


Altfel, pare ca acum sunt discutii intre proiectant si autoritati:
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[mile]

Mi-e teama sa nu fie vorba doar de acele treceri pietonale pe la 700, Parcul Botanic si pe la puscarie, din campus catre Demetriade...de care pomenea Latcau in inteviu. Altfel mi-e greu sa cred ca este vorba de o schimbare radicala a proiectului in partea de est a orasului...


Tot Robu in "interviu" se framanta cu trecerea de la Baader (cu spatiu limitat) dar nu i-a sarit in ochi o posibila traversare si unire in acelasi timp a strazii Kogalniceanu si Divizia 9 Cavalerie. Si nu i-a sarit in ochi pentru ca nu exista o minima traversare aici. Daca ar fi fost in acest loc un cat de mic pasaj, ceva, atunci s-ar fi gandit la o latire, modernizare, dar cum nu exista deloc, nici n-a simtit aceasta oportunitate.



Printre comentariile la Sorin Bogdan am gasit si un link cu un proiect din Melbourne, cu cale ferata pe estacada...cat de frumos poate fi...

https://landezine-aw...uyNT4d3YS-58s5o

[Shhhh]

Cred ca mult mai frumos ar fi cu capat de linie in Gara de nord sau bagata sub pamant.

Sunt curios CINE a fost impotriva metro-ului in Timisoara, ca asta a fost motivul, potrivit fanfaronului, pentru care nu s-a facut.

[DanielT]

Ooo, pai hai se vedem, primul ar fi chiar insusi marele ctitor al infrastructurii de toate felurile din Romania de azi, ministrul cica timisorean Sorin Grindeanu, acelasi care a semnat contract de finantare din bugetul national, adica de la noi toti, de doar 2 miliarde si ceva de euro pentru metroul din Clooj. Zicea el atunci ca e scump, ca nu merita, dar pentru clooj nu l-a durut mana sa semneze finantarea... Avem noi aici in zona un stil de a ne sabota pe noi, ceva de manual scolar, de-aia o sa picam pana pe locul 10 in topul oraselor din Romania daca nu ne revenim noi ca si comunitate si apoi astia care ne conduc, dar evident ca pleaca de la noi sa nu mai votam toti papagalii.

Citeaza

Sorin Grindeanu laudă acum metroul din Cluj. În trecut, l-a ironizat pe Robu, care voia metrou în Timișoara


În 2015, când Nicolae Robu era primar al Timișoarei și a lansat (încă din 2013) ideea construirii unui metrou în Timișoara, Sorin Grindeanu, președinte interimar al PSD Timiș la vremea respectivă, spunea că Robu vrea să arunce bani pentru studiul de fezabilitate în vederea realizării liniei de metrou în condițiile în care este puțin probabil ca acest proiect să fie realizat.
„Eu consider că, în acest moment, se aruncă bani și nu este o problemă nouă chestiunea cu metroul. Se spune despre ea de un an și ceva chiar doi, spune domnul primar. S-au aruncat bani pe studiul de fezabilitate, kilometrul de metrou fără proiectare, fără studii, fără alte costuri, în acest mediu, și m-am interesat la Ministerul de Transport atunci când a fost repusă pe tapet, în Timișoara, chestiunea cu metroul este de 60 de milioane de euro kilometrul. Atâta este costul”, spunea Grindeanu citat de tion.ro.

Si niste caterinca/glumite a la Sorin, tot de atunci

Citeaza

„Sigur dacă mergi în Dubai și vezi grădini suspendate, vrei să faci grădini suspendate, dacă mergi la Londra, orașul care a avut primul metrou, vrei să faci metrou. Sunt foarte curios ce se va întâmpla după vizita în America (a primarului Robu – n.red.). Aș mai fi curios să văd măcar o poză cu domnul primar Robu la cel puțin zece metri de domnul Barack Obama. Chiar ar fi un lucru bun pentru orașul nostru, dar mă îndoiesc”, mai declara Sorin Grindeanu în 2015.

https://adevarul.ro/...in-2231497.html

Aceasta postare a fost editata de DanielT: 09 martie 2023 - 16:22

[mile]

@ Shhhh

Pai a fost exact cum a zis si el, a fost luat in deradere peste tot, inclusiv in mass-media centrala...
Folosind cuvantul metrou, te ducea la gandul la un metrou serios ori aici, in cazul nostru, era mai mult vorba de "un tramvai mai lung" care sa circule cand suprateran, cand subteran. Cel mult putea folosi termenul de "metrou usor" dupa modelul tramvaiului din Bucuresti L41.
Plus ca credea ca timisorenii vor pica la picioarele lui afland de ideea metroului.

La fel a gresit cand hidrobuzele le-a numit vaporetto ca sa sune mai pompos si apoi cine le-a vazut a fost dezamagit asteptandu-se la cu totul altceva. Grandomania, bat-o vina!...

[ioio_viola]

Din cauza grandomaniei lui am ajuns acum aici. Daca zicea simplu ca trebuie duse liniile de tren in subteran sau pe estacada ca sa nu mai fie rupt orasul in doua altfel ar fi fost perceputa situatia de locuitorii orasului. Dar el visa doar palmieri si metrou.

[Shhhh]

In video, Robu zice ceva despre reactia comunitatii, cum ca ar fi fost negativa. Ma gandeam ca se refera la timisoreni, nu la politicieni. Nu stiu ce calitate avea grindeanu la vremea respectiva (alta decat politruc) dar probabil ca Robu putea incerca mai mult. Un studiu de prefezabilitate sunt doar bani aruncati.

Sunt convins ca daca ar face Fritz ceva acum, ar veni Robu sa ne vorbeasca despre ideea si proiectul lui, asa cum o face despre celalalte lucrari lasate la nivel de proiect.

[mile]

Sunt curios ce proiecte mari va lasa Fritz in urma sa pentru urmatorul primar?
Reducerea benzilor de circulatie, inverzirea Caii Sagului?

[Shhhh]

Eu sunt curios ce proiecte finalizeaza, nu ce hartii lasa in urma.

[mile]

Pai finalizeaza proiectele lui Robu. Pe ale lui in nici un caz pentru ca nici nu le are. Eventual mai muta niste pomi de colo-colo......ca la pasarela Gelu.

[Shhhh]

La fel ca oricare primar in primul mandat, sau?

[BogdanTm]

Off topic știre de azi dimineață.. Ultracinstitul El Insusi da cu subsemnatul la DNA în calitate de inculpat penal pentru autorizații ilegale de construcții.. Începe...

https://www.opiniati...ideo/10/03/2023

[mile]

Shhhh, la 10 martie 2023 - 11:36, a spus:

La fel ca oricare primar in primul mandat, sau?

Da, si ce proiecte/"hartii" lasa Fritz urmasului sau pentru ca cel care vine dupa Fritz sa aibe ceva de lucru in primul mandat? Imi poti raspunde la aceasta intrebare sau doar preferi sa te invarti in cerc?

Sau ce proiecte serioase isi pregateste Fritz pentru un al doilea mandat al sau?

[Shhhh]

Stiu la fel de multe ca tine:
- podul Solventul
- magistrala verde Sagului
- masterplanul Timisoara Nord

Cert este ca mai este timp arhi suficient sa faca cateva hartii pentru urmatorul. Hartiile nu au foarte mare valoare, e suficient sa te uiti la cate hartii a facut Robu, fara nicio intentie de a se apuca de vreunul din proiecte. Daca te intreb ce proiecte majore a facut Robu in 8 ani de zile, tot despre Michelangelo o sa-mi vorbesti. In afara de largirea celor 2 pasaje nu cred ca facut ceva notabil.

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Trecem mult prea usor pe langa unele aspecte care fac de fapt diferenta in totalitate.
O forta politica locala poate fi exercitata la nivel national doar prin oameni politici de calitate, eee.. aici se face diferenta intre ce avem noi si Bolojan, Boc, Coliban si multi altii.
Problema nu este fondurile ci pe cine ai in spate din partid care sa ridice mana cand se propun aceste proiecte in Parlament, aici nu vedem noi luminita de la capatul tunelului, ca si entitate locala Vestul nu poate concura vreodata cu Transilvania sau Moldova ori Muntenia, fara o politica de asociere nu vom avea niciodata nimic.
Mie personal imi place mult Falca pentru ca a avut o viziune politica si a castigat increderea fiefului Liberal Transilvanean care l-a sustinut la vot cand proiectele au ajuns in parlament.
Ex continua si astazi cu lideri care au reluat acest trend, Aradul a reusit astfel sa obtina un pod nou peste Mures si centura feroviara prin Vladimirescu, Centura Vest preluata pentru executie de CANIR cu proiecte pregatite in prealabil dupa scoala Oradeana.
Ghinionul nostru a fost sa fim pe mana lui Robu, aroganta si lipsa lui de a se asocia cu fieful politic de la virf l-a adus unde este, stati linistit ca caderea va continua in continuare, Nica il urmeaza la mare concurenta, aceasi Marie cu alta palarie.

Cat despre proiectul de modernizare M900 cand spun ca costurile sunt prea mari ma refer la costurile bugetate si aprobate care au limite, nu poti sa faci o schimbare radicala din moment ce exista un cadru legal care permite doar o anumita valoare cu care pot creste costurile, in plus in SF este totul batut in cuie, asta e, sanse minime sa se faca ceva mai mult decat am vazut in planse, singurul obiectiv care il vad totusi posibil sa exista modificari este la Baader, sensul giratoriu suspendat este o solutie complexa si acolo daca se va interveni va fi sa se faca ceva mai simplu.
In consecinta oamenii politici care ne conduc ne scriu viitorul, exact ca intr-o familie, parintii construiesc viitorul copiilor zi de zi, desi toti au dreptul la tot ce este mai bun numai putini au sansa sa reuseasca, noi am ajuns din pacate copii nimanui.

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Shhhh, la 10 martie 2023 - 12:10, a spus:

Stiu la fel de multe ca tine:
- podul Solventul
- magistrala verde Sagului
- masterplanul Timisoara Nord

Cert este ca mai este timp arhi suficient sa faca cateva hartii pentru urmatorul. Hartiile nu au foarte mare valoare, e suficient sa te uiti la cate hartii a facut Robu, fara nicio intentie de a se apuca de vreunul din proiecte. Daca te intreb ce proiecte majore a facut Robu in 8 ani de zile, tot despre Michelangelo o sa-mi vorbesti. In afara de largirea celor 2 pasaje nu cred ca facut ceva notabil.

In completare as adauga reabilitarea zonei Piata Traian (proiect pe care il astept ca pe a doua venire) si reamenajare zona Piata Dacia (la asta nu imi fac sperante, in special din cauza cetatenilor care vor si sa locuiasca central, dar si sa parcheze vreo doua masini la scara, asta pentru ca noi nu parem sa intelegem ca, daca nu e loc fizic sa parchezi atatea masini, nu poate sa vina nimeni "sa faca", ci pur si simplu nu pot fi parcate masinile si gata, deci renuntam la ele).